Zulema Pastenes, who was married to Lori's brother Alex Cox was back on the stand with John Thomas questioning her for the defense. John started out by asking Zulema about her relationship with Alex. Zulema said that her first date with Alex was in August 2019 and that their first kiss and the first time they held hands was on October 31st of 2019. Zulema confirmed that between August and October they frequently spoke on the phone about scriptures, talks they had read, their families and that they were just getting to know each other.
John then asked Zulema what happened in the week between October 31st and November 7th, 2019. Zulema testified that she was in Arizona and Alex was in Rexburg. She then confirmed that Alex presented her with and engagement ring on November 7th in Rexburg when she came to visit him. John asked Zulema if they had talked before about getting married. Zulema said that “Alex was very clear that he was looking for a relationship and he wanted to get married.”
John asked Zulema how the subject of marriage came up. Zulema testified that the first time they went to dinner, Alex told her he wanted to get married and have a relationship. Zulema said she didn't know if she had a reaction to what he was sharing with her. Zulema said though that when Alex proposed on November 7th, she was not surprised because Alex had already told her that he was looking for a ring and asked for her ring size a few days before she came up to see him.
Zulema testified that she had been visiting Alex in Rexburg for two to three days. She then went home to Arizona and Alex stayed in Rexburg. Zulema said that she didn’t physically see Alex again until Thanksgiving when he came up the day before stayed with her through the whole weekend. John asked Zulema if Alex went home after that. Zulema said no.
John asked Zulema if she and Alex got married on December 1st, 2019. She said she didn't want to give him the wrong date, but she believed it was that. John said to Zulema," It was your wedding day, you remember your wedding day, right?"
Zulema answered, "I wish I could tell you I know exactly the date, but there has been so much trauma around that that date and all of the events that happened around that time that at times it’s very hard for me to remember certain things … especially for things I’d like to forget."
John asked Zulema if the death of Alex is what she would like to forget. Zulema said, "That among many others, yes."
John asked Zulema if he was right when he said that she really knew Alex for three and a half to four months. Zulema replied, "That i knew him personally, yes."
John asked Zulema how she could know him through August to December but spend very little time with him. He then interjected that maybe Zulema didn't know Alex as well as she thought she did. Zulema disagreed with the suggestion. She said that whenever Alex wanted to do something or make a decision on something he would have to ask Lori and Chad's permission. As example Zulema said that when Chad told Alex in a blessing that he would be moving to Rexburg and that he would be one of the warriors in Rexburg, the following day, Alex got a plane with Chad to check Rexburg out and eventually moved there. Zulema said that after they had gotten married Zulema told him that she would be living with her family in Arizona. She said she had already told him that her family and her life was in Arizona. She said at the time he was still living in Rexburg, and he told her that he had to ask Chad and Lori what he should do.
John then handed Zulema two exhibits that had been admitted in the grand jury proceedings. The first one was a text message between Zulema and Chad and the second was between Zulema and Lori. Zulema then read the first message to the court. It stated that her daughter didn't want to move to Rexburg and that she was feeling like Zulema was abandoning her. She asked him in the text if he could do a reading to see who her daughter was before this life, that maybe her daughter will start seeing "truth." She had text Chad that she was told she'd move to Rexburg that week but not right now, so she would need to prepare for when that eventually would happen. She told him that she was grateful for being there for her and she was grateful for him. Zulema then read Chad's response back. He said that he would find out who her daughter was in a past life and that he agreed with her about Rexburg and that he was also grateful for her.
Zulema testified that during the time Chad and Lori were really pushing her to move to Rexburg continually. She stated that he even gave her blessings telling her to move to there. She said that it didn't really make sense to move there because her family and her job, basically everything was in Arizona. Zulema said, “I really really trusted these people. I trusted that these people were who they said they were. Chad said he had a veil, and he could see to the other side. He said he was constantly being guided by angels and other heavenly beings. Lori said she had conversations with Jesus Christ. I trusted them. It was very hard, and I was confused. So, i started praying and asking if i could have an answer.” Zulema said during one prayer, she got her answer from God telling her that she would go to Rexburg eventually.
John said to Zulema, "So, it wasn't Chad pushing you, it wasn't Lori pushing you it was the lord pushing you."
Zulema replied, "Yes they were sir."
John then asked, "Yes or no, did you pray about it?"
Zulema replied "Yes."
John then asked her, "And yes or no, the Lord told you eventually that you would go to Rexburg?"
Zulema answered, "Yes, but not right now."
John said, "So, it wasn't Lori and Chad pushing you to move to Rexburg."
Zulema said, "Yes they were, in every blessing they gave me."
John had Zulema read another text message she sent Chad. "I woke up this morning and the first thing i heard was i have made you mine and it was a man's voice, not my voice. I believe that i am on the right path and getting closer. I feel so much better than i did in the past week. So, all you did for me worked. i'm starting to feel myself again.
John then had Zulema read another text from her to Chad. “I have a couple of questions for you. Do I have a calling and election made sure? Will I have a calling and election made sure? Do I have a second comforter? And … how I will know when and how to the temple when the callout happens?” Zulema confirmed that the text was made on July 24th, 2019.
Zulema then read another text message she had sent to Chad a few minutes later stating that she was yearning to go to the temple and to only serve God and that God was telling her to leave the world behind, that she didn't have time for anything else.
Zulema next read the reply to her from Chad stating that he was so excited for her and that she was on the right path. He said to her in the text that her being a multiple creation person she had already her calling and election as well as the second comforter. He also texted her saying that he thought that she would be one of the first gatherers.
Next Zulema read her text back to Chad. She said that she just got chills over her body reading his text back to her and that is why the voice came back to her saying "I have made you mine" because he already had! Oh, it is so amazing!!
John asked Zulema if there were times where she called Chad or called on him for blessings to heal her from pain or spiritual binding. Zulema answered yes. John then had her read a text she had sent Chad around Christmas of 2018. "Merry Christmas! I hope you had a beautiful time with your family. Could you tell me if i have weapons on my back? I think i am being attacked again."
John asked Zulema what she meant by that text. Zulema said that Lori and Chad always taught that when you have any kind of physical pain or any emotional pain happened to you, that it was usually an attack from the dark side and evil spirits attacking your body or your emotions. Zulema then confirmed that she believed it.
Zulema confirmed that she felt like someone was attacking her back. John asked if it resolved on its own or if Chad did something to resolved that for her spiritually. Zulema answered that she didn't know, so John had her read another text that Chad had sent her. "Hi, Zulema. I have captured and seal away the evil spirits that were attacking you. And i have removed the weapons and am healing the damage."
John asked Zulema if she felt like that worked, or if it was just "hocus pocus." Zulema said there were times that Chad would do some kind of energy work and she would feel better afterwards but she couldn't remember if she felt better after this incident. John had Zulema read the reply she sent to Chad after he said he healed her. In the text she told Chad that she could move her shoulder blade and thanked him.
John asked Zulema if Chad or Lori had asked her to hurt anyone spiritually. Zulema answered no. Zulema confirmed that at the time she believed she had always done things for the light. She testified that at the time she thought that they were doing something good to help get rid of darkness and evil spirits off the earth, but now she believed that the intentions were different and evil. She said that their praises of her and the things they were saying to her were evil and manipulative and the result of it all was evil.
John had Zulema another text she had sent Chad. "Hi Chad, how are ya? I just wanted to tell you that i have been given a new weapon of light fire. I'm practicing and using it. I used it this weekend to heal the girls when they were attacked. I was attacked a lot this weekend. A lot! I'm using the fire to heal me, but i still feel my body in pain and warn out. Can you please do some healing on me?"
Zulema said that lightfire was like imagining in your mind a light aura and putting fire around it and putting it around somebody or a wound to help it heal. Zulema confirmed using it for good and healing purposes and casting of evil spirits.
John asked Zulema if she had or has ever had a portal in her home. Zulema answered no. He then asked Zulema to read another text she sent to Chad on April 8, 2019 in which she asked Chad if he could help her create a portal in her home to help get answers. Zulema testified that she didn't recall this conversation.
Zulema confirmed that she did some castings at her home with Lori and other ladies in her small group and that one of the castings was to get a demon named Garrett out of Charles. John asked if the casting worked. Zulema said that she didn't know because Lori always had to check with Chad to see if the spirit had actually left. Zulema then confirmed that Chad said that it had worked. Zulema confirmed that after this spirit left Charles that Chad and Lori had said another one came in and she had believed them.
Zulema confirmed that Charles passed away on July 11 of 2019. John asked Zulema if she recalled what she was doing that day. Zulema said that she was at the temple. He then had her read text messages to Lori that stated that she was on her way to the temple and that she'd be in the celestial room. Zulema then read another text to Lori stating that Zulema was working on Hiplos while in the temple and was told he would be taken as he is. “7/11. I hope today is a good day for all of this to end.”
Zulema confirmed that cellphones were not permitted in the temple, so she didn't have it while she was in there. John said that 8:54 a.m. is when the first message was sent to Lori and the one where Zulema said she had been at the temple was at 11:30 a.m. Zulema said that she supposed to meet Lori that day and that they were going to work on casting out Hiplos together, but she never showed up.
John asked Zulema if there was a time where she had gone to the Phoenix temple in the celestial room and some heavenly beings showed up. Zulema said yes and then confirmed that the heavenly father and mother were there as well as Jesus and her eternal husband. Zulema then stated she didn't recall that day. John then said to her, "You saw Heavenly Father, Heavenly Mother and Jesus and you don’t remember what happened?"
After close to a minute of silence on Zulema's part, John said that he would withdraw the question and then stated that he had no further questions for Zulema.
Rachel Smith for the prosecution began some follow-up questions.
Zulema confirmed that on cross she liked to look for the good in people and part of looking for the good in people is based on her beliefs and her faith as a member of the Church of Latter-Day Saints. Rachel said to Zulema, "So in answering his questions a lot of your questions were about trying to see Lori as a, you started out trying to see Lori as a good person and a person of faith like yourself."
Zulema answered, "Correct."
Zulema then confirmed that she let law enforcement take her phone and extract the text messages and information from it and that the text and communications from it between her and Lori were typical conversations that they would have.
Zulema confirmed that Lori and Chad would continuously call Zulema a goddess and that had a very special mission and that her mission was the most important. Zulema stated, "It made me feel very good and really special. I started to really believe it."
Zulema said that they made Alex feel special as well. She said that Chad and Lori told Alex he was the angel who had come to Saul before he became Paul, and he was the one who spoke to him and made him blind so he would mend his ways and become a follower of Jesus Christ. She said that they also told him he had been an angel before that had appeared to the Latter-day Saint founder Joseph Smith. She said they also told him he had been exalted in other creations with his wife Holly, and he had been a very powerful warrior. She said thy had also told him that he had unmasked Satan in another creation, and that is the reason why Satan had so much animosity toward him.
Rachel asked Zulema about castings. Zulema confirmed that the demons would just get stronger every time they were cast out of Charles. She said that by the time they tried to cast Hiplos out, that Chad and Lori said he was so strong that it was almost impossible to cast him out. Zulema then confirmed that the only way for a person not to be possessed again by a dark spirit the body had to be destroyed. She said that Alex believed everything they told him.
Rachel said that she had no further questions for Zulema and she stepped down from the stand.
Rob asked Colby how he knew the defendant. Colby answered that she was his mother. Rob then showed Colby a photo and asked him if he knew who that was. Colby responded tearfully that it was his sister, Tylee Ryan. Rob asked Colby what his specific relation with Tylee. Colby answered that she was his half-sister. Rob then showed another photo. Colby said that it was a picture of his little brother JJ Vallow. Rob asked Colby what his specific relation to JJ. Colby answered that he was his adopted brother.
Rob asked Colby if he knew who Charles Vallow was. Colby said that he did, that Charles was his stepfather. Colby confirmed that Charles had been his stepfather for about 13 years. Rob then asked him if he remembered the day that Charles died. Colby said yes and then confirmed that he had had a conversation with Lori about how Charles died. Colby said he was at work and confirmed it was between two or three in the afternoon when she called him and told Colby that Charles had died of a heart attack. Rob asked Colby if Lori had said anything to him about Charles being shot. Colby said no.
Rob asked Colby if he had gone over to Lori's house the day that Charles was killed. Colby said that he did go there around seven-thirty after his shift. He said that Tylee answered the door and gave him a hug. When he went inside, he saw Alex Cox with a white bandage on his head, sitting on the couch and watching TV. Colby asked Alex why he was wearing the bandage. He said that Alex told him that he got hit in the head with a bat and shot Charles. Colby said that Lori's demeanor that night was calm.
Rob then asked Colby if he ever got to speak to Lori about Charles' life insurance policy. Colby said yes that a few weeks after Charles was killed Lori told Colby that she wasn't receiving any of the life insurance money for Charles. Colby then confirmed that with the conversation he had with Lori it seemed that Lori thought she was the beneficiary of Charles' life insurance policy until he died.
Rob asked Colby that if before Charles died if he got to speak to Lori about her and Charles' finances. Colby said yes, maybe monthly or twice a month or every other month telling him that they were out of money.
Rob asked Colby if he knew who Tylee's father was. Colby answered yes, Joseph Ryan. Rob asked if he knew if Joseph was alive or deceased. Colby said that he was deceased and that died in 2018. Rob asked Colby if he was aware that Tylee received Social Security benefits after Joseph passed away. Colby said yes. He then confirmed that he spoke to Tylee about money, and he was aware that she had a bank account. He confirmed that Tylee had sent him money randomly through Venmo mostly. Rob asked Colby if to his knowledge did Lori ever send him money by sending it to Tylee who would then forward it to him through Venmo. Colby answered yes. Rob asked how Colby knew that. Colby said that he would speak with his mom and then she would send it to Tylee and Tyle would Venmo it to him.
Rob then asked Colby if he had a text message conversation from Tylee on September 8th, 2019. Colby said yes that he asked Tylee if she could transfer money from Venmo to him. He said that she answered him back that she was no longer in control of her money that his mom was handling it.
Rob asked Colby if he also spoke to his mom on September 8th, 2019. Colby said yes. Rob asked Coby if she told him where they were. He said yes. Rob then asked Colby if he had been able to hear Tylee in the background. Colby answered yes to that question as well. Colby said that she told him that they were in the Yellowstone gift shop in the Yellowstone National Park.
Rob asked Colby if he ever had a conversation with his sister's money after Charles' death. Colby said yes that Lori told him that she was going to be using it for bills and to take care of them while she found a new job.
Colby confirmed that he was contacted by police on November 27th, 2019, asking where JJ and Tylee were. Rob asked Colby if JJ or Tylee were with him on November 27th of 2019. Colby said no. Rob then asked Colby if at that time he have cause to be concerned about Tylee. Colby answered yes that his conversations over text with her did. He said that when he first text her he followed up with a few phone calls and facetimes and then the texts he received back were "in a different language than Tylee would talk like her punctuation and things like that." Colby confirmed that it didn't feel like Tylee that he was speaking with. Rob asked Colby how long he had got texts from Tylee after it felt like it wasn't her. Colby said a little after Tylee's birthday on September 24th. Colby confirmed that he still received Venmo and cash app payments from Tylee after September 2019 and the cash app payments were sent by Lori's account.
Rob asked Colby if after Charles died, did Lori tell him that she was going to get married again soon. Colby said yes, a few weeks after Charles died.
After the police contacted Colby on November 27, of 2019, he said he contacted his mom and asked her what was going on and why were they looking for the kids. Rob asked Colby if he knew where his mom was on November 27th and Colby answered no. Colby confirmed that he knew his mom had moved from the Pheonix area, but she never told him where she moved to. He said he had asked her where she moved to, but all she would say is it was somewhere that was cold and that it was dangerous to tell anyone where she was going. November 27th, of 2019 was the day after Thanksgiving. Rob asked Colby if he had tried to contact Lori on Thanksgiving. Colby answered yes, but her phone was disconnected, and he wasn't able to contact her after that.
It was now the defense's turn to question Colby. Jim Archibald asked Colby who is dad is. Colby said William Lagioia. Jim asked Colby if he ever had a relationship with his dad. Colby answered said no. Jim then asked Colby who raised him. He answered his mother. Jim asked Colby if he had a stepdad. Colby said yes and that his name was Joseph Ryan. Jim asked him if Joseph adopted him. Colby said that he wasn't sure.
Colby confirmed that he is married and has two children. Jim asked Colby if Lori has ever met his children. Colby said that she met his oldest daughter when she was a baby.
Jim asked Colby if his childhood with Joseph and Lori good or bad. Colby said that it was bad. Colby then confirmed that Lori protected him and Tylee from Joseph by moving away from him and divorcing him.
Colby confirmed that his next stepdad was Charls Vallow who he had a good relationship with and who treated him better than Joesph did. He also confirmed that he, Tylee and JJ had fun times growing up with Charles and that he had a good relationship with Tylee and JJ.
Jim asked Colby if when Tylee was younger if she had had any health issues. Colby said that she had had pancreatitis and had to go to the hospital for it.
Jim then asked Colby if JJ had special needs. Colby said that JJ was diagnosed with Autism.
Colby confirmed that Lori took care of his and his siblings needs growing up.
Jim asked Colby if he had some struggles as a teenager. Colby said yes and confirmed that Lori had helped him through some of those struggles. He also confirmed that he was involved in athletics as a teenager and that also helped him. Colby confirmed that he and Tylee had suffered through depression. Jim asked Colby if Lori had helped him and Tylee with thoughts of lack of self-worth. Colby answered yes and confirmed that she had encouraged him to do good things in his life. Jim asked if Lori encouraged Tylee to do good things in her life. Colby answered that he didn't know.
Jim asked Colby how old he was when he left home. He said that he was 17 and that he had went to live with his uncle Adam Cox in Kansas. He then testified that he then moved back to live with Lori and Charles in Chandler, Arizona. Jim asked Colby if he graduated from high school. Colby said no and confirmed that he had got a GED and that the same was true for Tylee. Colby testified that when he moved back in with Lori, he went to Gilbert Community College in Chandler. He also confirmed that when he was 18, he went on an LDS mission to Nampa Idaho for six weeks. Coldy confirmed that his mother was supportive of his decision to go on the mission and when he returned.
Jim asked Colby if Lori taught him about Jesus. Colby answered yes. Colby confirmed that his mother sang songs about Jesus in church and build the foundation for him to believe in Jesus. Jim asked Colby if his mother had ever taught him about multiple lives and multiple creations or that he was another person in another life in another world. Colby said no. Colby confirmed that his mother never taught him about zombies, casting out evil spirits or dark and light scales. Jim asked Colby if Lori talked to him about vibrations. Colby said that Lori had told him that they were the same vibration. Jim asked Colby if Lori ever taught him that she was a goddess or a teacher of the 144,000 or the LDS religion was wrong. He said no. Jim asked Colby, she ever taught him that he should join a new church called The Church of the Firstborn or that Jesus cast out evil spirits or that Jesus ever killed anyone. Colby answered no.
Jim asked Colby if he was at home when Charles filed for divorce from Lori. He said no. Jim then asked Colby if he was at home when Charles and Lori reconciled. Jim then asked Colby how his relationship was with his uncle Alex. Colby said that it was minimal that Alex was odd, crude and kind of funny. Jim asked Colby what he thought about the relationship between Alex and Lori. Colby said that he didn't really see Alex a lot until around his wedding in 2018. Colby confirmed that Alex didn't really come and visit him as a child. After Colby got married, he moved out of his mom's house.
Jim asked Colby if he wrote a book since the case started. Colby said yes, it is called God Over Odds. He said it is about his testimony and how Jesus has helped him through his life. Colby also confirmed he did some appearances on tv stations, on YouTube and in a docuseries none of which he was paid for. Jim the read a snippet of what Colby said on the docuseries. "My mom has spent her whole life protecting us kids." Colby confirmed that is what he had said. Jim then read, "until she met Chad Daybell she changed." Colby said that he didn't remember saying that, but he could have. Jim said to Colby, "In your book and in the docuseries, you talked a lot about your childhood. And you never once thought your mom would hurt someone. Is that fair to say?" Colby answered yes. Jim asked Colby if he loved his mom. Colby said yes. Then Jim asked Colby if Lori loved him. Colby said that he thought so. Jim then read a quote from Colby's book. "This book is dedicated to my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ for always being there with me throughout my entire life." Then he asked Colby who taught him that God was good. Colby answered that the church and his mom did. Jim read more quotes from Colby's book that claimed God had helped Colby through obstacles in his life. Jim then said he had no more questions.
Rob was back for the prosecution asking Colby questions. Rob asked Colby if since he had moved out of his mom's house, did she ever ask him for money. Colby said no. Colby confirmed that the only thing that Lori ever asked him to do was help her move. Rob asked Colby if his father was still alive. Colby said yes. Colby then confirmed that he wasn't getting Social Security Benefits for a dead parent. Rob asked Colby if his mom controlled his bank account. He said no. Colby confirmed that at one point, Lori gave him Tylee’s debit card so he could buy himself a birthday present.
Rob asked Colby if in the last few years if Lori had ever asked him to attend any special religious meetings or come to her house and listen to Chad Daybell or to participate in castings. Colby answered no.
Rob asked Colby when it was, he found out where Lori moved to. Colby said it was after he saw the news, which was December 19th, 2019. Rob then asked him when it was, he found out that his brother and sister were missing. Colby said when the police came to ask where they were.
Rob asked Colby if Lori had ever talked to him about her life insurance policy. He said yes that he thinks when he was younger if anything happened that there was something there. Colby confirmed that Lori had said she had listed him as sole beneficiary when he was a teenager and Tylee and JJ were still alive.
Rob asked Colby if he knew if Lori had asked Tylee for money. Colby answered yes.
Rob said that he had no more questions for Colby, and he stepped down from the stand.
Rob then played a jail house recording between Lori and Colby that had already been submitted into evidence.
Colby- "Hello. Hello."
Lori- "Hi Colb. Can you hear me?"
Colby- "Yeah, i can hear you."
Lori- "Do you really want to talk to me?"
Colby- "You think you can hide from me?"
Lori- "I'm not hiding. You stopped talking to me."
Colby- "Probably because you murdered my siblings. Probably why i stopped talking to you. Maybe you should understand."
Lori- "I didn't. I'm sorry you feel that way."
Colby- "You didn't do anything, right? Mom, i've prayed your you in my worst moments. I've prayed for my siblings, who you swore to me were ok. I thought i could trust you. I thought you were a completely different person."
Lori- "You've known me your whole life Colby."
Colby- "I don't know. I don't know a murderous mother."
Lori-" It's not very good to make judgments when you were there and you don't know what happened."
Colby- "What happened?"
Lori- "Everyone is making their own judgements."
Colby- "Mom, you have ben shoving BS down my throat for a verey long time. I'm going to talk to you."
Lori- "You could be made at me."
Colby- "Hey listen to me. I'm not mad. Listen to me. Fine listen to me. I sat there and i prayed. I can't tell you the amount of pain. That i've felt from your decisions. In Jesus Christ's name. It kills me to watch you sit here and tell me this is a trial. It kills me to watch you take the victim's route and say this shouldn't have happen to you. When you have to tell me that Chad Daybell came into your life and all of the sudden everything changes. And i'm talking about my spirits feel this. And i prayed. I trusted you. I gave you every chance. I could pass my own limitations as a human being. I push pass all of everything to try to get to you to help my own mother. You have lied to me specifically to me more times than i can count about this. To know that they're gone, and you knew. And my phone being texted by my little sister who's not even alive. My little brother who's the sweetest little kid ever for what purpose? And you tell me this is god's will for my whole family including my stepfather to be dead. After everything you've tried to tell me you can tell me Jesus Christ, the Savior of the world is on your side. You tell me that with all the conviction in your heart that Jesus Christ is on your side right now. Please.
Lori- "I can tell you that."
Colby- "Say it to me. Say his name. Say he told you and you followed him with exactness because i have prayed for you. I sat there and tried my best to forgive you, Chad and Alex. And i was deceived and i was broken by my own mother. What are you doing? What are you doing? I prayed to heavenly father. And i said you tell me father."
Lori- "Ok. We have made all these judgments. They think they know what happened. They think they know what happened."
Colby- "I don't care about other people."
Lori- "They think they know who's responsible."
Colby- "Do you know what you told me?"
Lori- "They think they know everything."
Colby- "Doy know what you told me?"
Lori- "But you don't because you weren't there."
Colby- "You're right. I wasn't there. I was kept black."
Lori- "That's right. And one day you will know."
Colby- "While two kids were murdered."
Lori- "One day."
Colby-" MURDERED."
Lori- "You will know what actually happened."
Colby- "You're right, cause you know what mom? God will show everything into the light."
Lori- "We will stand there with Jesus."
Colby- "You're absolutely right. He will convict the people who act in his name with pure blasphemy.
Lori- "Hee hee hee."
Colby- "This funny? This is funny? This is funny? You are laughing like this is funny. How come your cameras aren't on mom? You don't want to look at me in the eye? Why can't you look at me? It's just you and me. I'm in my house alone."
Lori-"It was nice to talk to you Colb. I love you. I always will. One day you will see and understand."
Colby- "Go ahead and hang up."
Lori- "I do love you."
Colby- "See how that works for you. You gonna hang up?"
Lori- "I don't, i don't have anything else to say. You obviously don't know. You weren't there."
Colby- "Let me tell you something mom.
Lori- "You were there. Summer wasn't there. My mom wasn't there. The police weren't there. The FBI weren't there."
Colby- "You're right. You know who was there?"
Lori- "Nobody was there."
Colby- "Tylee and JJ, mom."
Lori- "Yeah and guess what. They know, they know exactly what happened."
Colby- "Buried in the backyard."
Lori- "They love me, and we are sealed together forever. The love me and are fine, and they do know the truth and i know the truth and we are the only people that do. So you can judge me Colby all day long. Go a head and judge me. This whole world has."
Colby- "Judge me?"
Lori- "The whole world has judged me."
Colby- "Mother listen to me please."
Lori- "They don't know."
Colby- "Hey please stop."
Lori- "And you don't know. You don't know what i've been through and you didn't give a crap what they've been through. Nobody does except for me. I'm the one that knows."
Colby- "Are you serious?"
Lori- " I'm the one that was in the hospital with Tylee for hundreds of days watching her suffer. I was the one doing everything for JJ every day. I was the one that did it all these years."
Colby- "You did it all to throw it all in the garbage."
Colby- "Are you serious?"
Lori- " I'm the one that was in the hospital with Tylee for hundreds of days watching her suffer. I was the one doing everything for JJ every day. I was the one that did it all these years."
Colby- "You did it all to throw it all in the garbage."
Lori- "You don't know what happened."
Colby- "They're dead."
Lori- "You don't know what happened."
Colby- "It doesn't freaking matter what happened if they are buried in your new husband's backyard. Tell me that matter. What happens? You tell me you did this in Jesus' name mom. I have to figure that out right now. If you believe it then you are not afraid. Every witness of Christ will scream his name when he comes back. So are you that person?"
Lori- "I am the person i am."
Colby- "You can't be that person because Jesus Christ commissioned you to be a murderer."
Lori- "Oh yeah Colby. Cause that's what it is. You don't even know. You weren't even there."
Colby- "When i asked you about Tylee in October what did you tell me? What did you tell me? What lie did you feed me? Why would you lie to me if you are so, if you were with the Lord and you've seen him. And i'm just purely talking to you. And you've seen Jesus Christ. Where's the fear? Why wouldn't you tell me something? Why were you afraid? Why is everyone against you? Why is everything against my mom?
Lori- "OK Colby you can be against me all you want. One day we will all stand there with Jesus. We will all stand there with Jesus and you will know the truth about of everything. Not for me."
Colby- "You're telling me that this was all done in light. Say it. Tell me that this was all done in Jesus' name."
Lori- "You don't know what happened."
Colby- "Why, why don't i know mom? Oh, because i was kept in the dark to protect me? You know who needed protecting? My little dead siblings. That's who needed protecting mom."
Lori- "Where were you when... (Inaudible) Is that what you think you need to hear?"
Colby- "You ran away. A month later you ran away. I never wanted you guys to leave. I would have taken those kids in a second. I would bring them into my home and i would have taken care of them. That's not even a question for me."
Lori- "Everybody says that. Yeah everybody says that."
Colby- "Says that now? Where was my offer? Where was my offer?"
Lori- "I did everything for them."
Colby- "'Colby could you have Tylee and JJ here for just a week while me and Peter Griffin run away together to Hawaii.' How about that? If you had offered me you would have known. You cannot sit here and lie to me."
Lori- "Is this what everybody thinks? Cause that is not the truth, k? That's what people are thinking."
Colby- "They were murdered put in the ground."
Lori- "They are assuming."
Colby- "And you walked away."
Lori- "No you don't know that."
Colby- "Tell me the truth."
Lori- "That is not what happened."
Colby- "What happened? You tell me what happened. If you can tell me what happened i don't care. If you actually swing it, then it's different.
Lori- "I would love to talk to you."
Colby- "But you can't. Mom you've been saying that you've been wanting to tell me for a long time, and you never say it. You have no idea how much pain i've felt in my body. I feel like i could die. My own mom, my siblings and my whole family, my dad, everyone is gone except for you, and you are in jail because of it. I have prayed to Heavenly Father himself and asked him to help me survive this. Do you understand the freaking earthquake that has been caused. Do you know how many people are hurt and broken now? You're telling me that there's a reason. Why are you following Chad down the rabbit hole mom? Why would you follow anybody that's not good? How can you follow someone that cannot lead you to salvation in Jesus, mom? You can't lie to me anymore. You can't pretend anymore. You can't hide anymore. If you want to tell me what happened, i told you from the very beginning. You had enough condemnation for the whole entire family for eternity. But you are telling me that you're going to stand in front of Jesus Christ and you're going to be fine? Then i'm still praying for you. I am still praying for you. I don't know where the lies in all these things are written. I don't see it. I never have. The light of Jesus Christ is the most powerful thing that's ever lived. It's the most loving and embracive thing that has ever happened to this world. And i pray that you see him and fall into his grace. I pray every day, i pray no matter how i am mad at you, no matter how bad it hit your husband in the head in the face with a shovel. I pray for you. I pray for him. You ripped my heart out and you ripped off everyone in this family's heart out. I'm going to be in Idaho this week. You need to look me in my eye mom. Look me in my eye."
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