Zulema testified that if someone is possessed by a demon, they are considered dark and bring only bad things to happen and that they would be considered dangerous. Zulema said that Alex believed this more than anyone else at the second casting did.
Zulema said that Lori told her that this second casting worked, but now a more powerful demon had possessed Charles, and this time it was a demon's name was Hiplos and he'd done the same things for hundreds of years and was an expert.
Zulema confirmed that there was another casting for Charles to removed Hiplos. She said that at the time, Lori had moved to Texas with Charles. She asked Zulema and the other women to be on a conference call early in the mornings and they would do castings on Charles to remove Hiplos. Christina, Nicole, Melanie Gibb, Melani Boudreaux, Lori and Zulema participated in these castings. Zulema says several castings were done on Charles during this time.
Zulema said that Lori said this was a powerful demon and the castings were not working and that the reason Charles moved to Texas because there were doctors to help people who were possessed by demons, and they could help keep the bodies alive and going. Zulema testified that Alex knew that Charles was being possessed by an exceptionally strong spirit.
Zulema then testified that she had asked Lori why she moved to Texas with Charles after all the problems she had with him. Lori told her that she needed to go so she could get her finances straight. Zulema also testified that she didn't know if Alex knew Lori was claiming she went back with Charles to get her finances straight.
Rachel asked Zulema if during this effort to cast out Hiplos and deal with Charles, did Charles pass away. Zulema answered yes and that Charles died on July 11th of 2019. Rachel asked Zulema how'd she remember that date. Zulema testified that Lori always said that she had a connection with the 7-11. Zulema said that Lori would mention the number all the time and that she a spiritual connection with the number. Zulema said that when Lori told Zulema what had happened, she said that it was on 7-11 and that it was her numbers, and it was all orchestrated by God and Hiplos or Charles had been delivered to her and Alex.
Rachel asked Zulema to tell the court what Lori told her had happened to Charles. Zulema said that Lori told her that Charles had rented a house in Chandler, Arizona for Lori and the kids. Lori told her that Charles came from out of town to pick up JJ for school. Lori said while he was putting JJ in the car, she took his phone, and he came back for it. She said they started arguing about the phone and Alex was there and got involved in the fight. She said they started to fight, and Alex said he was trying to protect his sister. Lori told Zulema that Tylee came into the middle of the fight with a baseball bat telling Charles to leave and Charles took the bat away from Tylee. She said that Charles then hit Alex on the back of the head with the bat. Zulema said that Lori then told her that Charles and Alex wrestled around fighting and at one point Alex got his gun and he shot Charles and that is how he died.
Rachel asked Zulema if Lori told her what happened after the shooting. Zulema testified that Lori told her that the police had interrogated them and that they deemed it to be in self-defense.
Zulema then testified about what Lori told her was going to happen next. Zulema said that Lori told her that certain things that she needed to do to usher in the Second Coming. One of them was that she needed to cleanse the earth of evil spirits. She said that Charles’ death one of those steps. Zulema testified that she didn't know if Alex believed it or not.
Rachel asked Zulema if Lori had talked to her about staying in Arizona or moving. Zulema said that Lori told her that she wanted to stay in Arizona, but that Chad told her that she needed to move to Rexburg, so she moved to Rexburg.
Rachel asked Zulema what the significance of Rexburg, Idaho. Zulema said that Chad had said that it was going to be a refuge as other countries were going to invade the United States. Chad said soldiers and warriors would defend that area and that area had been prepared by the church as a place of safety.
Rachel asked Zulema how she learned that Lori was moving to Rexburg. Zulema said that Lori had told her that she was moving. Zulema said that Lori told her it was part of her mission to be there. Zulema testified that Alex, JJ and Tylee moved with Lori and that Alex ended up living at the same apartment complex.
Rachel then asked Zulema if Lori told her how she was going to pay for or finance things in Rexburg. Zulema that when said asked Lori how she was going to pay for things since she didn't have a job, Lori told her she was receiving Social Security benefits from Tylee’s dad for passing away before she was 18. Lori told her that JJ was receiving Social Security from Charles dying and that she had been married for over 10 years to Charles, she would also receive Social Security. Zulema said that Lori told her that the total amount was around $6,000 a month so she said she didn’t need to work.
Zulema then testified that she went and stayed with Alex at his apartment in Rexburg in September of 2019. Zulema said she never saw Tylee and when she asked Lori where Tylee was Lori told here “She had to be freed”. Zulema said that when she asked Lori what she meant by that and Lori lifted her hand, put it up to Zulema’s face and said, “Don’t ask.”
Zulema testified that JJ was there when she visited Alex in September. Zulema said that JJ was playing outside with his friends. Zulema said that Lori told her that JJ had some toilet training issues since they had moved.
Rachel asked Zulema if Lori said anything about JJ being attacked by demons. Zulema confirmed that Lori had told her before they moved to Rexburg that JJ was being attacked by demons.
Rachel then asked Zulema if Lori said anything about Tylee being attacked by demons. Zulema said that right before she moved to Rexburg, Lori told her that Tylee had been possessed by a evil spirit or demon named Hilary and that she told her on more than one occasion about this. Zulema said that Lori had told her a few times about JJ's possession too.
Zulema then talked about JJ's service dog. JJ's service dog was named Bailey. Zulema said that Lori told her that the evil spirits attacking JJ and they were going into the dog because it was easier to possess the dog. Zulema then confirmed that Lori gave away the dog before moving to Rexburg after Charles died.
Rachel asked Zulema if once they moved to Rexburg if she voiced any concerns about Tylee being possessed. Zulema said no that Tylee wasn't there when she went there. Rachel then asked Zulema if Lori said anything to her about JJ being possessed by demons while she was in Rexburg visiting. Zulema said not that she could recall.
Rachel then asked Zulema what was JJ doing when she got there. Zulema said that JJ was playing outside with his toys and his friends from the neighborhood. She said that he then came inside to ask for a popsicle and then he went back outside. Then he came back in for a snack and then he went back outside. She said that Lori brought him in around 7 p.m. and started getting him ready for bed. Zulema testified that Lori said she had hired a nanny or a babysitter to help her take care of JJ when she needed and that she also had a subscription to a bounce house place so Lori could take him there to be entertained.
Rachel asked Zulema if she saw Chad while she was in Rexburg. Zulema confirmed that while Chad was visiting Lori in Rexburg Tammy was still alive and he was still living with her. Zulema said Chad asked her to lie for him and send him a text saying that she was speaking at a conference or at an event and she wanted him to come and hear her speak. Zulema testified that Chad wanted an excuse to tell his wife she he be with Lori. Zulema said she sent the text and Chad came over. Zulema said that when Chad got there, he and Lori were aggressively trying to convince her to move to Rexburg. Zulema said that they kept telling her that part of her mission was to be that and that she needed to help them build Zion there.
Zulema confirmed that she had a job. She then testified that she told Lori that if she moved to Rexburg that there is no jobs there for her, for her experience or for her past jobs or anything that would match her. She said she asked Lori what would she do there for finances and Lori told her not to worry about it that Melanie Boudreaux had enough money for all of them.
Zulema confirmed that Melanie Boudreaux was Lori's niece and that she was in the process of getting a divorce from her husband. Zulema also confirmed that Melanie B received a substantial divorce settlement of several hundred thousand dollars.
Zulema testified that when Lori told her that Melanie B had enough money for all of them, that she told Lori that that money was Melanie's and not hers. Zulema said that Lori didn't really have a response to that.
Rachel asked Zulema if she told Melanie B about the idea of her supporting all of them. Zulema said that she told Melanie B what Lori said after Alex had died. Zulema said that Melanie B told her that she was very sad that people would say that about her and her money.
Zulema confirmed that while she was visiting Lori in Rexburg that Chad gave her another blessing. She said that in the blessing that Chad said that the Savior was standing right next to him and that he was giving the words to say to her, and that the Savior was telling her to leave Babylon and move to Rexburg. She said that he also added that all her sins were forgiven. Zulema testified that Lori and Alex were also present for the blessing.
Zulema testified that it had to be someone from the priesthood giving the blessing if they were going to use the priesthood power.
Zulema confirmed that Alex also received a blessing from Chad and Lori that day in front of her. Zulema said that Chad told him that the Savior was standing next to him giving him the words to say. Alex was told all his sins were forgiven, and he started to sob.
Zulema said Chad gave her a blessing in August 2019 in Lori’s Arizona house. She said that Chad told her that she would be moving to Rexburg and that she was going to be getting married and reiterated it in this blessing in September.
Zulema testified that Chad and Lori taught that a man and a woman should always be together because they were stronger as an entity than as two separate people. They said that if they are together, they can have the priesthood together and they can be stronger and more effective in whatever they are going to do. Zulema said that once her and Alex started dating, that they started saying that they should be married.
Zulema said that before Alex moved to Rexburg, that she went with Alex to dinner to get to know each other. Zulema said that on her trip to Rexburg, she watched movies with Alex and he was really funny. She said they got to know each other and had fun talking. Zulema testified that her trip in September to Rexburg was really short and only lasted two to three days.
Zulema said that Alex came to Arizona to visit for Halloween in 2019. Lori had asked if Alex and Melanie B could stay at her house. Zulema said that she gave Melanie B her bedroom and she and Alex stayed up most of the night talking. Zulema said that that was the first time they held hands or kissed.
Zulema confirmed that she and Alex got engaged on her next visit to Rexburg, which was November 7th, 2019. Zulema said that when she visited Rexburg, Chad, Lori, Tyle and JJ were not there. She said that her and Alex didn't know where Lori and Chad were at first, but while she was visiting Rexburg, she and Alex were sent pictures of the couple getting married in Hawaii.
Zulema said that after her and Alex got engaged, she went back to Arizona, and he stayed in Rexburg.
Zulema said that she invited Alex to Thanksgiving with her and her family and he accepted. Zulema said that she didn't have any communication with Chad and Lori on Thanksgiving and neither did Alex. Zulema said that Alex had been communicating with Chad and Lori on a regular basis, but when Alex left Rexburg to visit her in Arizona, they stopped communicating with him even though he was sending them messages and trying to call them. She said Alex was upset and said something like, “Can you believe they are being such jerks after how much I helped them, and now they don’t want to talk to me?”
Rachel asked Zulema if she remembered when Tammy Daybell was shot at. Zulema said that if memory served her right that Tammy was shot at on October 9th. Rachel then asked Zulema if she remembered hearing Tammy dying. Zulema said that Melanie Gibb had called her the night before. Zulema said that she was confused and didn't know what to think.
Rachel asked Zulema if she was present with Lori around the time that Tammy was shot at. Zulema said that she was with Lori the same night that Tammy was shot at. She said that Lori had texted her earlier that day and asked her to go to Melanie B's house because she needed Zulema to help her with something and she needed to see her. When Lori got to Melanie B's house, she said that Lori told her that Tammy had been possessed by a demon, and Lori needed here help casting the evil spirit out of her. Zulema confirmed that the demon's name was Viola. Zulema said that at the casting Melanie B was there and her kids were asleep. Zulema said that while she was casting with Lori, Melanie B got a phone call.
Zulema said that after Tammy died, Lori told her that Chad and she had received instructions and visitations from angels and taught them out to cast demons out and now they knew how to do it. Lori said that is the reason that Tammy died.
Zulema testified that Lori told her that she and Chad were going to settle down in Rexburg where they were going to build Zion and that was going to be a place of refuge and then all of the sudden, they were going somewhere else.
Zulema said that instead of Chad and Lori going to Rexburg and creating Zion like they said they were going to, they just left and got married in Hawaii. Zulema said that on their way back from Hawaii, Chad and Lori had a layover in Phoenix and they were staying at a hotel close to Zulema's house. They asked her to come and see them at their hotel and have dinner with them and then drop them off at the airport, which she did.
Zulema said that at the dinner she asked Lori where JJ and who was taking care of him if they were in Hawaii. Zulema said that Lori said JJ was with Kay.
Zulema testified that she married Alex on December 1st.
Zulema testified that after she married Alex, Melanie Gibb called her and was very upset, very emotional. Melanie G told her that she felt like JJ and Tylee were missing and she didn't know what happened to them. Zulema said that Melanie G told her that she felt like Chad and Lori deceived them and they were asking her to lie for them. Melanie to her that she felt like they were doing something wrong.
Zulema said her reaction to Melanie G's call was “utter confusion.” She said she didn't know what to think or how to process the information. Zulema said, “To hear my friend saying all of this is happening and at the same time knowing how much trust I put in these two people it was very, very confusing, and I was very distraught.”
Zulema that Alex was quiet and not his usual self when she went to Alex and asked him how can Kay be looking for JJ when JJ is supposed to be with Lori, how can the person that's taking care of him be looking for him. Zulema said told her "I know."
Zulema didn’t know police were looking for JJ and Tylee until after Alex died.
Zulema confirmed that she kept a journal which she had handed over to law enforcement which Rachel admitted into evidence. The first page from the journal was a diagram showing multiple creations and worlds that one person can come to. Zulema said this was a diagram based on given to her by Lori and Chad. Zulema said that there are five worlds on the page, each with a Satan and a Savior. The fifth world is the lowest and the darkest world. Zulema said that it depicted what Lori and Chad said she lived. Zulema said that on the other side of the page was a circle showing limbo, where they told her the spirit go when they have been pushed out. She said, “If a person dies, there is a two-minute window where a demon can take over the body and inhabit it.” Zulema said just like they said had happened to Charles and Tammy. She said that they told her the original spirit goes into limbo and can't go anywhere because it is waiting for the body to be put to rest. Zulema confirmed that Alex absolutely believed this.
Zulema said told the court to look at what she wrote in her journal about Chad claiming in the creations that he had been the brother of Heavenly Father and Jesus, and in another creation, he had been the Holy Ghost. Rachel asked Zulema if that was true what Chad said about himself, in the circle of people around Chad and Lori, would that give him authority and power. Zulema said that it absolutely would, that he would have spiritually been the highest of anybody.
Rachel asked Zulema what Lori's ranking would be. Zulema said that Chad chose Lori for his wife and that Chad would say that he and Lori already been married seven times before on this earth. Chad also claimed that they were also married and exalted in other worlds together and she was his spiritual companion, so that put Lori in the same spiritual standing has Chad. Zulema testified that Alex absolutely believed all of that.
In all, eighteen pages of Zulema's journal was submitted into evidence.
Zulema said that the next page what that of the scale that Chad and Lori taught. The first time you come to the world you are a one, the second time you are a two and so on. She said that it would be the same thing for ratings if you were light or dark. So, it would be 1 L for light and 1 D for dark. Zulema confirmed that the lowest level is 1 and the highest was 6. She confirmed that she was a 4.2 light and Lori was a 4.3 light.
Rachel said that another page of the journal said, “cast out” and “get rid of them.” she then asked Zulema once the evil spirit was pushed out of the body how do you destroy the body. Zulema said that Lori and Chad taught every time a demon was cast out, the two-minute window leaves an opening for another one to come in. She said that spiritly they needed to prevent another demon from coming in, you need to do certain things, like using water and fire to destroy the body so that there was no other way for another demon could come in. Zulema then confirmed that in order to make sure the demon doesn't come back is to destroy the body in some way such as burning, taking the body apart or binding the body.
Next Rachel showed Zulema more pages from her journal. The next one had scales on it. Zulema said that it is a scale of ratings of people who are on Earth right now. Zulema described what was on the next one after that. She said that it from when Lori asked Chad to rate her family. Zulema then confirmed that Chad had the ratings on his computer, and he had showed her them in August of 2019. Zulema confirmed that Tylee’s rating was 4.1 dark, Charles Vallow’s was 3 light, Melanie B.’s was 3 light and Brandon’s was 3 dark.
Rachel admitted three photos into evidence. Zulema said that the first one was at the Preparing a People Conference in Rexburg. She said that Chad, Serena Sharp, Melanie Gibb was at that conference with Zulema. Zulema said that the first photo showed her sitting with Audrey, Serena, Denae and Melanie at the conference. Rachel asked if Audrey attended several conferences. Zulema said yes and confirmed that she was friends with Chad. Zulema said that the next picture is her at Chad's table with 3 other women including Melanie Gibb and Serena. Zulema said that the last picture was of her, Melanie G, Serena and Audrey with a couple of other women at the conference.
Rachel admitted photo of Zulema with Serena at the Preparing a People conference in Boise. Rachel then asked Zulema if she remembered chatting with Chad at the Preparing a People conference in Boise. She said she did and that they stayed at the same hotel. She then confirmed that the conference happened before Charles died, but after Chad met Lori and after Lori and Charles split up.
Zulema testified that she spoke to Chad about Lori not being at the conference and that she had canceled her trip at the last minute because Lori thought that Charles would serve her divorce papers during the conference. Zulema said that they talked about how it was the best for Lori not to be there so she could be protected, and the person who was going to serve her divorce papers wouldn’t be able to find her. Zulema said that Serena and Audrey were with her at the conference.
Rachel asked Zulema if all castings were handled the exact same way all the time. Zulema testified that they are similar but not the same. Rachel then asked Zulema how they are different than just praying for someone. Zulema said that when they were praying they were asking for what that person needed or blessing them or asking for help or deliverance. She said that a casting was specifically to cast out a evil spirit or demon. Zulema confirmed that there were castings done on Charles and Tammy that she participated in.
Rachel then asked Zulema if the group of people that would come to her house were given gifts or were told they had spiritual significance by Chad and Lori. Zulema said yes that Melanie Gibb was a gatherer and was meant to gather people who were “awake” or aware of the signs and things to come prior to the second coming. Zulema said her gift was that she was able to work with the elements. Zulema said that Chad said that Serena was a very powerful goddess. Zulema couldn't remember what Melanie B's gift was. And Alex's gift was that he was a warrior and a defender and that he was going to be training many other warriors that would be moving to Rexburg in the future. She said at that time Chad had Alex that he had only came one time to Earth and that his sole purpose was to protect Lori. Zulema testified that Alex believed this.
Rachel then asked Zulema if Lori had explained anything to her about Charle's life insurance money. Zulema said that Lori had mentioned that Charles had a million-dollar life insurance policy, and she was the beneficiary of it.
Rachel asked Zulema if Lori talked to her about other ways to deal with Charles if the castings didn't work. Zulema said that when they were at her house at the casting in March of 2019, that Lori was laughing and said that if it didn't work out she could always put some pills in his water or something.
Rachel then asked Zulema if Lori ever told her how long she expected JJ to live. Zulema said that Lori told her that JJ was going to have a very short life, and at a meeting in August 2019, Chad said JJ would have a very short life because he was going to come right back as Colby Ryan’s child. Zulema said that Alex believed everything they told him.
Zulema confirmed that people who witnessed Christ had an elevated status and that would count as Lori if her testimony was to be believed by the group. Rachel asked Zulema if there was any evidence that Lori believed such things. Zulema said that Lori and Chad taught that if you were exalted in another probation, this time you came to the earth didn’t count for you because he had already proven yourself in another probation. Zulema said that Lori would often say, "It doesn't count for me."
Zulema testified that Alex believed everything that Lori said and that his mission, that was given to him by Chad during a blessing, was to protect her.
Rachel asked Zulema who benefited the most from Charles' death. Zulema said that Lori directly and then eventually Chad. Rachen then asked Zulema who benefited from Tylee's death. Zulema said Lori and then Chad.
Zulema then confirmed that Alex took his mission seriously to protect Lori.
The prosecution was done with their questioning of Zulema.
Zulema confirmed that she met Lori in 2018 in late fall at a meeting at Melanie Gibb's house. Zulema said that Melanie Gibb often had different people come to her house to talk about their books, food storage or other topics, some of which you would encounter at a Preparing a People Conference. Zulema then confirmed that over that year or so when they met, her and Lori became friends.
Zulema confirmed that one of the connections her and Lori had with each other was their faith and that her and some of the other ladies, like Melanie Gibb were very action in the church. She confirmed that they would go to the temple quite often and that is where she'd meet up with some of the other women. She also testified that these meetings weren't always for spiritual gain, that she times they were just as friends, but that when she met with Lori they were usually about spiritual things.
Zulema confirmed that one of the things that drew her two Lori was with her personal experience meeting Jesus or having a personal experience where she had personal visitation. Zulema said that when someone has an experience like that it is the ultimate, most sacred experience that any human can have, and she found it amazing and wanted to learn more about it.
Zulema confirmed that she had her own spiritual experiences in the temple.
John read a text message Zulema had send to Chad on December 4th, 2018.
"Hi Chad, this is Zulema. I have to tell you since you gave me that blessing i've been having visions, full awake, no more dreams, my visions have been at the temple. I've had three so far."
John then asked Zulema to tell him some of her visions. Zulema said that she wasn't exactly sure specifically what visions she were referring to at the time, but she remembered seeing herself in a beautiful room with a big table. She said she was sitting at the head of the table, and there were children and people all around. She confirmed that a man was sitting on the other end of the table, she couldn't see his face, but he was “a very light being.”
Zulema confirmed that she had been married multiple times before Chad gave her a blessing saying that she would get married. John asked Zulema if it would be a far stretch to say that she would be getting married. Zulema answered no.
John then asked for clarifications on the castings. Zulema confirmed that they were done spiritually not physically and that she never harmed anyone or attempted to harm anyone. She confirmed that it was meant to harm or bind of that person. Zulema confirmed that she was someone that spiritually worked for the lighter side. John asked Zulema if she thought that any of that was evil or bad.
Zulema replied, "No, not at the time."
John said, "But you've since then come to think that it was evil or bad?"
Zulema answered, "There are two children that have died and a mother of five that have died. I will consider that evil. Yes, sir."
John asked Zulema if she thinks that her castings out of spirits had some effect on two children who died and the spouse of another person that died? Zulema said not that her work did, but that Chad and Lori's had.
Zulema replied, "No, not at the time."
John said, "But you've since then come to think that it was evil or bad?"
Zulema answered, "There are two children that have died and a mother of five that have died. I will consider that evil. Yes, sir."
John asked Zulema if she thinks that her castings out of spirits had some effect on two children who died and the spouse of another person that died? Zulema said not that her work did, but that Chad and Lori's had.
Zulema confirmed that her job is a job coach/unemployment specialist in Arizona. She helps train people how to create resumes, apply for jobs and help them place in jobs and train them in the jobs. John asked Zulema if that was a very sophisticated job. Zulema said she wouldn't consider it sophisticated, she would consider it hard and that she was more knowledgeable than the people that she was helping.
John said to Zulema that, "You're not a very gullible person, are you? I mean you have some. sophistication."
John asked Zulema that when she met Chad and Lori if she thought they were doing good work. Zulema said that she thought they were kind, loving, righteous and law-abiding. She confirmed that she thought at the time that they were led by the spirit.
John asked Zulema when it was that she was ordained to the Church of the Firstborn. She said that she knew it was done but she didn't remember.
John asked Zulema if there was anything personal in the blessing that Chad had given to her. Zulema said that Chad was good at giving blessings and would give you lots of praise and make you feel special and make you feel very good of the person that you are.
Zulema confirmed that she has heard other people give blessings before and she didn't think that the blessing that Chad gave her was as generic as she has gotten from other members of the church.
Zulema confirmed that she would text Chad regularly about spiritual things, asking him questions.
Zulema confirmed that when she met Chad, Lori and Melanie Gibb at Firebirds, that Chad and Lori didn't want Melanie to hear the information they wanted to tell Zulema about her past lives. Zulema said that she was very curious about what Chad had to tell her. She confirmed that it was very personal for her.
John asked Zulema what she thought about what Chad had told her about being Lori's 14-year-old daughter in a past life that was raped and dismembered. Zulema testified that she believed Chad when he told her that.
John then displayed the image from Zulema’s journal that showed the circles with multiple lives and the circle showing where spirits go to stay in limbo for two minutes after the body dies. When he asked her when and why she drew it, Zulema answered that she didn't remember.
John showed another page from Zulema’s journal depicting some drawings. Zulema testified that the drawing was in February/March of 2019 around the time Chad and Lori started teaching about the light and dark scale. She confirmed that she caried it around with her.
John then showed the page from Zulema's journal that had the words, "cast out," written on it. Zulema said that that page was done around the time they were doing the castings on Charles. She said that it would have been around March or July of 2019. She said that they were just steps you could follow to cast out an evil spirit. Numbe one was Order of the Priesthood, number two was enspell or encapsulate, next was cast out and five was burn.
Zulema confirmed that Chad and Lori taught that to prevent another demon from taking over the body, you have two minutes to burn around the body to prevent another demon from going into the body. John asked Zulema if she believed that. She said at the time she did, but now she didn't.
John asked Zulema, "Now you think there is a larger window?"
Zulema said that she now doesn't believe anything they said, and that they made it all up.
John said," So, you don't believe demons can be cast out by humans?"
Zulema said that she doesn't believe that anything they did was right or correct, "No." Zulema said, "Do i believe that a evil spirit can be cast out? Yes, because it was done in the Bible and Jesus Christ did do it, but i believe that it is completely different than what they were trying to do." Zulema said that she believed that Chad and Lori didn't have the authority to cast out evil spirits and they also didn't have the right intentions.
John asked Zulema what the step "burn" meant. She said it meant you were to burn around the body for two minutes so another spirit wouldn't come into the same body. Zulema said it was done spiritually and verbally during the casting and had nothing to do with physical burning.
John asked Zulema what the step "burn" meant. She said it meant you were to burn around the body for two minutes so another spirit wouldn't come into the same body. Zulema said it was done spiritually and verbally during the casting and had nothing to do with physical burning.
John then read that the sixth level said, "escorted" and that seventh was sealed. He asked Zulema what that entailed. Zulema said that Chad and Lori said that if they had angels come up and they would escort the demon or the evil spirit that had been cast out of the body. She said that then it would be sealed away and not be able to bother anyone else.
Zulema confirmed steps were to the next level is to banish, then expel, reject, purge and then evict the evil spirit. She then confirmed that under evict it said cast out, get rid of. She testified that the goal was to cast out and banish the evil spirit or demon. Zulema said that written next was forced to leave by official action, take away the right of being there, drive out, as in excommunicated and blasted, then Mathew 8:16. Zulema said that Mathew 8:16 is a scripture in the Bible in the New Testament. She said that part of the scripture said cast out with his sword. Then after Mathew 8:16 it was 10:1, which was "he gave them power to cast out unclean spirits."
Zulema testified that Chad and Lori's teachings seem to be some scripture mixed with their own philosophies. She said that if you read in the New Testament Jesus is telling the evil spirits to leave, but it doesn't say anything about burning or rejecting or spells or having to be escorted or sealed.
Court was concluded for the day.
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